Upgrading Tank

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Is the 29 setup and cycling or still haven't filled it?
 

sethsolomon

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Which canister filter? It might be time to add another 1 depending on which 1 you have or add a HOB skimmer.

Some skimmer suggestions:
http://www.fish-street.com/bubble_magus_e3_protein_skimmer
http://www.fish-street.com/bubble_magus_nac5e_protein_skimmer (Probabily complete overkill for a 29g but would be good if you upgrade again)



Also, I would add 2x wp-10's for some extra flow. http://www.fish-street.com/jebao_twins_linkage_controller with 1 wp-10 and buy 1 more wp-10. or wait for the rw-4 to come out and find someone with some used koralias laying arround for cheap to tide you over. I might have 2x koralia 450's I would sell you for $10 a piece. Or you could order 2x of these http://www.fish-street.com/aquasyncro_hwm_wavemaker.

TLDR on that: a 29g will need more flow than 1-2 canister filters.


I would add another 15 ish pounds of live rock. I would look arround and see if anyone has any vanitu or toltalka rock in stock.
 

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yep agree, that you will certainly want a skimmer and power heads for more flow. Also depending on the dimensions of the 29 you may want to add some supplement light. That kesil will cover the mid area pretty good, but since it a single point of light it will be hard to light the sides if the tank is long. It works great for cubes, but the longer the tank gets the more shading you will get on the sides.
What is currently in your 14g that you will be transferring and what are you livestock/coral plans for the 29g?
 
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sethsolomon;316556 said:
Which canister filter? It might be time to add another 1 depending on which 1 you have or add a HOB skimmer.

Some skimmer suggestions:
http://www.fish-street.com/bubble_magus_e3_protein_skimmer
http://www.fish-street.com/bubble_magus_nac5e_protein_skimmer (Probabily complete overkill for a 29g but would be good if you upgrade again)



Also, I would add 2x wp-10's for some extra flow. http://www.fish-street.com/jebao_twins_linkage_controller with 1 wp-10 and buy 1 more wp-10. or wait for the rw-4 to come out and find someone with some used koralias laying arround for cheap to tide you over. I might have 2x koralia 450's I would sell you for $10 a piece. Or you could order 2x of these http://www.fish-street.com/aquasyncro_hwm_wavemaker.

TLDR on that: a 29g will need more flow than 1-2 canister filters.


I would add another 15 ish pounds of live rock. I would look arround and see if anyone has any vanitu or toltalka rock in stock.
My filter is currently rated at 250gph. I forgot to mention I do have a Jebao WP-10, I do want to buy a skimmer as well.
 

jahmic

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I'd start the tank with new live sand, and 15-20 lbs of new rock. Are you able to run both tanks simultaneously for a while, or are you trying to do the transition in a day? Allowing the new tank to settle for at least a few days after adding the sand and new rock would be ideal...longer if you have the means. That's not to say you can't do it in a day; I'd just make sure the rock you get is cycled and fully mature if you go that route.
 

zombie

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+1 to jahmic. If you need to do it in a day, then toss all of your new rock and sand in a 5 gal bucket with an airstone a couple weeks ahead of time to minimize the cycle in the new rock.
 

SkyDiv3r17

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When you move the sand and rocks over, the water will be cloudy, so you definitely want to give that a day to settle!

I would also recommend a hang on or hang on the back refugium!
 
#13
This might be a silly question, but why is a sump better than a canister filter? Do the canisters remove beneficial items while the sump encourages growth of beneficial bacteria?
Would it be better to have a sump instead of a canister filter for my new tank? I just want to make sure I do this right the first time around :)
 

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If given the choice, sump all the way. Canister filters are great freshwater, but it saltwater they can build up harmful nitrates and then release it back to your system. You can prevent that to a degree if you change all the canister media rather frequently but they also dont provide as much water volume as a sump and you can get more flow as well as have a refugium in your sump to grow macros and other things that help the tank thrive. In addition it is a great spot to put other equipment like skimmer and reactors so they dont distract from your DT.
Also if you are planning a FOWLR tank then the canister might work fine, but if you are planning to have corals and such I would go sump all the way
 
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SynDen;316886 said:
If given the choice, sump all the way. Canister filters are great freshwater, but it saltwater they can build up harmful nitrates and then release it back to your system. You can prevent that to a degree if you change all the canister media rather frequently but they also dont provide as much water volume as a sump and you can get more flow as well as have a refugium in your sump to grow macros and other things that help the tank thrive. In addition it is a great spot to put other equipment like skimmer and reactors so they dont distract from your DT.
Also if you are planning a FOWLR tank then the canister might work fine, but if you are planning to have corals and such I would go sump all the way
Great info! I'll have to do some research into them. I do not fully understand how the plumbing works.
 
#16
Sumps can seem kind of scary. I used a HOB overflow for my 40 reef tank and having a sump is awesome. I would advise drilling the tank ( or taking it to a glass shop). Sumps allow for more water volume, space for skimmer, heater, light, refugium etc.
 

BryanF

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I think a sump with an appropriately sized skimmer is one of the most important components of our reef tanks. I also highly recommend a reef ready (drilled) tank. I would buy a used reef ready tank over a new non-drilled tank any day.
 
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Finished the sump today. I'll fill it up with water tomorrow to see if everything works. I decided to do a HOB overflow, as the glass shop would not drill the glass of my tank and I was a little worried that I might break it. I also bought a MAG 7 for my return pump, rated 700 gph, along with my wave makers, should be plenty of turn over.
 

Shaunv

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Great White will drill the tank. Vince did my 40 and did a great job.
 
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