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Syn's 850g.t.v Deep Brain system

Discussion in 'Tank Builds' started by SynDen, Feb 17, 2015.

  1. SynDen

    SynDen Shark Staff Member M.A.S.C. B.O.D. M.A.S.C Club Member

    Many of heard me talk about my plans for a bigger tank in my basement and while I am still a good long way off of actually putting in the tank, I have started collecting items for and working on the design. So I decided I would start a build thread ad there are many questions to be answered about this tank, and I would value the input of this great community as I move forward with this tank. That being said I am in no rush and believe this tank build likely going to take a few years yet for me to complete.

    Tank room - So when I bought my house, the basement had this "room" in the basement that was filled pretty much to the ceiling with the construction dirt from when this house was built, which was 1905. It had half brick walls and a make shift scrap wood wall and door enclosing the space. After we moved in I started digging out the basement 1 5g bucket at a time. Took me over 6 months of doing 5-10 5g buckets everyday to clear out the dirt enough to have someone come in a lay concrete in the room.

    Once the room was dug out I brought in some concrete guys and had them put in a floor and reinforce the foundation. I also put in some electrical to the room, although this still needs to be completed. After the room was concreted in we turned it in to our studio/office, but a while ago my wife decided that she couldn't work in the dark basement so she moved her office upstairs. Needless to say the room instantly became the man cave/ fish room.

    The basement isnt fully done though. I need to add in some general lighting to the room, and I also need to re-tuck all the brick in the room. All the grout on the brick is over 100 years old and is crumbling apart. Before I put any tank down here I have to get the brick done as I cant do that one with the tank down here as it is very messy to do.
    Once these two things are done I can start on a bigger better water mixing station under the stairs with a untility sink, 2 salt mixing tanks and an ro tank, all plumbed to go to the new tank once installed.

    A few pics of the basement construction.

    This was where I stopped digging and the concrete guys brought in jackhammers to clear out the rest and prep for concrete.
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    This is just after they laid the floor concrete
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    Current shot sitting at my desk looking at where the DT will sit and face.
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    Last edited by a moderator: Aug 29, 2017
  2. Haddonisreef

    Haddonisreef Kraken M.A.S.C Club Member

    Fallowing! Looks like a great start!!
     
  3. jahmic

    jahmic Shark M.A.S.C Club Member

    Careful...update that basement and the wife is going to reclaim it for her office :p

    Great start though man...crazy excavation there. Did they find any skeletons in the dirt pile? lol
     
  4. BrianH

    BrianH Prawn Staff Member M.A.S.C. B.O.D. M.A.S.C Club Member

    Oh yeah!!! Major construction for a reef tank, I like it!!!
     
  5. SynDen

    SynDen Shark Staff Member M.A.S.C. B.O.D. M.A.S.C Club Member

    Tank Concept - Been spending a lot of time thinking about exactly what I want in this tank. In the end I have come down to doing a deep water LPS dominant tank.
    Goals:
    - I want to dedicate this tank mainly toward growing large brainy corals colonies like favia, acans, trachys ect...

    - Build a long term sustainable tank. Would like to have this tank up for 10-20 years. I dont want to set this tank up and have to tear it down or rebuild it after only a few years. I really want the tank to be up and stay healthy for a very long time.

    - Another goal of mine has been to build as much of a self sustaining tank as possible. This was something that I strived for with my freshwater tanks and would love to pull this off with this tank.
    As part of that I want to build several tanks/ecosystems that all work together to maintain balance, so it will include a large cryptic sump filled with rock and a large display refugium.

    - Also, learning from my mistakes of my first tank, I want to make a tank that is close to maintenance free as possible


    It also took me a while to decide on the shape of the tank. A 300DD would fit fairly well in this place, but I don't like the corner overflows and would want it more peninsula style so you don't see the overflows as you come down the stairs. A triangle tank was the next best option, but something I dont like about the triangle tanks and thats mainly around cleaning or getting into the corners of it. Since I didnt like the corners I decided to eliminate them and go with a pentagon corner tank as it will maximize the space, wont have tight corners you can clean and I can access it from all sides. I have seen this shape of tank in smaller forms, but never seen one this big before so will be fairly unique in that regard.

    Problem with that is that its not a standard tank so it will have to be custom built. This is one of the things I havent decided on yet, who is going to build it and glass or acrylic? Acrylic would be certainly easier to get the tank downstairs and setup. Will look great until it gets scratched. Glass will do fine but harder to get down stairs, and I would love sapphire but that makes things even more costly and difficult. So alot to sort out here.

    A couple shots of the tank plan as it is now.
    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]

    I also want to do a well thought out aquascape. One that maximizes the flow of the tank, provides plenty of space for large colonies and one that has my artistic flare :). I have been a 3d sculpter and done my fair share of traditional art, so I figured I would try and merge in some of that to this tank. All the rock in the DT will be dry rock because I am going to sculpt out some pieces in live rock to look like a living sculpture. Here are two images that I will use for inspiration on these live rock sculptures.

    [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Feb 17, 2015
  6. SynDen

    SynDen Shark Staff Member M.A.S.C. B.O.D. M.A.S.C Club Member

    Haha no, although I did find a crazy assortment of different sized and shaped liquor and medicine jars that were in the construction trash.
     
  7. SynDen

    SynDen Shark Staff Member M.A.S.C. B.O.D. M.A.S.C Club Member

    Livestock Plan - Current plan is to mainly centered around a Blotched anthias and other deep water-ish fish like a harem of leopard wrasses and other anthias

    [TABLE="width: 821"]
    [TR]
    [TD]Clowns and damsels[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Assorment of 6-8 ORA Juvenile clowns[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Tangs?[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Hippa[/TD]
    [TD]http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=15+43+330&pcatid=330[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Yellow[/TD]
    [TD]http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=15+43+392&pcatid=392[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]purple[/TD]
    [TD]http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=15+43+372&pcatid=372[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Anthias[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Blotched anthia[/TD]
    [TD]http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=15+20+2981&pcatid=2981[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Bartletts x9[/TD]
    [TD]http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=15+20+1128&pcatid=1128[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Fatheads x5[/TD]
    [TD]http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=15+20+52&pcatid=52[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Wrasses[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Leopard wrasse x3-5[/TD]
    [TD]http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=15+1378+304&pcatid=304[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Gobys[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Engineer x3[/TD]
    [TD]http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=15+31+165&pcatid=165[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Pink spot x2[/TD]
    [TD]http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=15+31+221&pcatid=221[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Purple firefish x 4[/TD]
    [TD]http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=15+1636+173&pcatid=173[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Blennies[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Red sea mimic?[/TD]
    [TD]http://www.orafarm.com/products/fish/blennies/red-sea-mimic/[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Mandarins[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Ora Red mandrain pair[/TD]
    [TD]http://www.orafarm.com/products/fish/dragonets/red-mandarin/[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Jawfish[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]pair blue spot jawfish[/TD]
    [TD]http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=15+1637+748&pcatid=748[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Angels[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Bellus Angels pair[/TD]
    [TD]http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=15+18+2923&pcatid=2923[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Others[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]filefish for refugium[/TD]
    [TD]http://www.orafarm.com/products/fish/other/pygmy-filefish/[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="width: 389"]
    [TR]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]
    Equipment - Lots to sort out with equipment still, although I am actively collecting equipment and stuff for the tank, but at this point I am looking for as many smokin deals as I can find as I am not in any rush at this point. subject to change at anytime especially in the areas of flow and lighting. Currently thinking of doing a Closed circuit with a few mp40s as supplement as well as a strong return pump with a sea swirl on it.
    At this point I have collected about 200+ pounds of dry rock, and 85g tank, a 75g tank and a few other things.

    [TABLE="width: 1162"]
    [TR]
    [TD]Main tank[/TD]
    [TD]3-4k ?[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD]Custom Corner Pentagon 6.5'x6.5'x12.5"x7.9" (starfire or regular glass) [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Display Refuge 85g[/TD]
    [TD]Free[/TD]
    [TD]yes[/TD]
    [TD]Thanks Rob![/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Cryptic Sump 150g stock tank[/TD]
    [TD]232[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD]http://www.amazon.com/Rubbermaid-Commercial-150GAL-Stock-Tank/dp/B004H35IV2/ref=sr_1_13?ie=UTF8&qid=1423080088&sr=8-13&keywords=300+gallon+stock+tank - looking into other options and criagslist deals[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Frag tank?[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD]can add in later down the line, just add the union for it in the plumbing next to the refuge (likely DIY acrylic job)[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]QT tanks[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD]1-yes[/TD]
    [TD]Possibly get 2-3 75g tanks to use for QT until the tangs are in the tank and then repurpose both for saltwater mixing tanks and equip tank (Have one, needs resealing)[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Equipment tank?[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Water mxing tanks[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Plumbing and Accessories[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Overflow(s)[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD]C2C, or basket drain lines, Full length external overflow?[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Screen tops[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD]White eggcrate or mesh screen with light frame?[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Pvc and fittings[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]schedule 40 flexible pvc[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Utility basin sink 20x24x34[/TD]
    [TD]110[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD]http://www.homedepot.com/p/MUSTEE-20-in-x-34-in-Plastic-Floor-Mount-Laundry-Tub-19CFT/202041458?N=5yc1vZbuo7[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Drain for the sink?[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD]Somehow need to get a lower drain in the basement for the basin sink and the auto water change system (must complete after re-tuck of brick)[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Bulk heads x10+[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Filter socks and bracket x2[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]6 x 100w Heaters and extra controller[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Pumps[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Return pump[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD]( Reeflo snapper?) and sea swirl[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Closed Loop pump[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD]Barracuda?[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]MP40s x2[/TD]
    [TD]300[/TD]
    [TD]1-yes[/TD]
    [TD]Have one, need one more (enough for this size tank?) http://www.bulkreefsupply.com/vortech-mp40w-es-propeller-pump.html[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Jebao pumps?[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD]10 for refuge and 60 for sump[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Filtration and Dosing[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Calcium reactor[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Skimmer[/TD]
    [TD]530[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD]http://www.bulkreefsupply.com/skimz-monzter-sm202-external-protein-skimmer.html[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Dosing pumps[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD]BRS or DoS[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]LiveRock 200+ lbs[/TD]
    [TD]2 per lb[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD]enough to fill a 150g stock tank/sump (display rock will be mostly dry rock[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Carbon Reactor[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD]Possible DIY[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Stand[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Framing (2x4s and 2x6s?) wood or steel?[/TD]
    [TD]53.9[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD]For wood, need 1- 2x6x10, 1- 2x4x10, 3- 2x6x8, and 5- 2x4x8
    (Wood 1 - http://www.homedepot.com/p/WeatherS...-Treated-Lumber-107993/203025831?N=5yc1vZc3sr - 53.90 in wood cost for this option)

    (Wood 2 - Other options? Composites?)
    thedecksuperstore.comThe Deck Superstore
    5961 E. 64th Ave
    Commerce City, 80022 - real redwood option[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Cinders Full x8 (1.68ea)[/TD]
    [TD]13.52[/TD]
    [TD]yes[/TD]
    [TD]http://www.homedepot.com/p/Oldcastle-16-in-x-8-in-x-8-in-Concrete-Block-30161345/100350252[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Cinders Half x20 (1.47ea)[/TD]
    [TD]29.4[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD]http://www.homedepot.com/p/Angelus-Block-8-in-x-8-in-x-8-in-Concrete-Block-088B0050100100/100318645[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Frame brackets or way to join the frame[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Cabinets[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD]Idea for stand - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX3LHiCx-2o[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Lighting[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]t5 bulbs 48" x4[/TD]
    [TD]20[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD]Ati 10k and Blue+ (refugium light)[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Red strip light for sump and under the stand[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]400w Metal Halide[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]t12s or t5s[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD]Generally want the MH to spot light the center piece on the tank. The rest will be fairly deep water with muted beep blue lighting[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Aquascaping[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Dry rock 300-500 lbs[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD]180 lbs[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Acrylic Rods[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Epoxy[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD]Marco[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Chisel tools to sculpt[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Drill bits?[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Sand[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD](medium and fine crushed coral)[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Miracle mud[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD]Refugium mix with medium and course sand[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Other Equip[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Phyto and pod cultures[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]De-humidifier and air circulation system[/TD]
    [TD]200?[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Misting Boxes - Plastic[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Misting Boxes - misters[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Par meter[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Feb 19, 2015
  8. zombie

    zombie Barracuda M.A.S.C Club Member

    If youre fonna have wrasses, crushed coral is a no-no for the display. Stick to aragonite so they dont damage their scales from sleeping.
     
  9. SkyShark

    SkyShark Barracuda Staff Member M.A.S.C. B.O.D. M.A.S.C Club Member

    Awesome! This will be a great build to see happen. Have you been looking into an automatic water change system? What about a fish quarantine system? Have you considered a coral quarantine system as well?
    Personally I think glass is the best way to go for a system you are planning to have setup for that kind of time period. There are certainly a lot of benefits to acrylic, but I have a feeling that no matter how careful you are, the acrylic will get scratched up and will drive you crazy. My biggest concern with glass is making sure the seals are made to last that long (having a super level base for the tank is critical here too).
     
  10. SynDen

    SynDen Shark Staff Member M.A.S.C. B.O.D. M.A.S.C Club Member

    I have done some thinking on the auto water change system and most of them would be pretty easy to do if I had a floor drain or something down here. Currently the only drain in the basement is the laundry drain and its high up on the wall. So I am considering way to add a pump to the line that will pump the water to the drain, but it will need some way to shut off when there is no water left to pump. Likely I would tie this to the utility sink I want to put down here next to my water changing station.
    No idea though on how to setup that up or details on how I will pull that off but it is under consideration, open to thoughts or suggestions.

    Yes I have been thinking about QT tanks and I have a 30g that would make a pretty good coral qt and I will be looking for extra 75g tanks for qt and my mixing tanks, as a 75g is good for tangs for a period of time. I have one now that needs a reseal, but looking for cheap ones for the other 2. Haven't decided whether to incorporate this into the main tank design or on the opposite wall in the room. Originally I thought I might frame it in somehow down in front of the DT and sump, But didn't really like it there, so weighing my options.

    That's prolly a good point on acrylic. I know it would get scratched more and more over the years. I would have to do a yearly buffing of the glass, while filled, to be able to keep up on it, and that would be a super pain in the ***.

    Ya, this thing has be perfectly leveled and remain that way, although I don't think that will be to much trouble. Most of the tank will be supported by the low concrete wall and some stacked cinder blocks. Then a support frame will rest on top of those. with a sheet plywood and foam. Haven't decided on the material yet, but considering redwood decking 2x6s and 2x4 for it. Steel i-beams or something would likely be the other option.

    Good catch. Thanks, would have kicked myself if I had put in the wrong stuff.
     
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  11. zombie

    zombie Barracuda M.A.S.C Club Member

    You could use a DOS with a 55 gal or larger NSW container for AWC. Kinda pricey, but easy to setup and you will probably be running a tank that size with an apex anyway. That would be as simple as sticking 1/4" tubing down the laundry drain.
     
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  12. SynDen

    SynDen Shark Staff Member M.A.S.C. B.O.D. M.A.S.C Club Member

    Ya I kind of thought about that and that might work if it was just for the water change system but I also want to tie a utility sink in line with it as well, so it would need to handle that as well as the tank. Plus since this is in a basement and the drain is a good 20 feet away from the tank, and I want the plumbing for the water change in the sump, that leaves me only a few inches of vertical slope away from the tank, to make the water flow down and away to a pump, which really doesn't leave much room for filling a tank on the other end that the DOS system could then pump out of.
     
  13. FishTV

    FishTV Sardine M.A.S.C Club Member

    This looks like an awesome build, nice work so far. Tagging along!!
     
  14. jda123

    jda123 Barracuda M.A.S.C Club Member

    Put a ranco or medusa on your list and about 6-10 heaters. Heating large tanks are no joke and will be BY FAR your #1 expense. You won't be able to control the heat for tank this size off of an apex, unless you keep the basement really warm, which will then keep your home very warm. I used to use 1000W titaniums, but they can cause too much damage when they get hot, so I just use a pile of Ehiem Jagrs now with the built in thermostats for a second check.

    Large tangs love to eat fleshy coral, even if they don't as juvis... be careful.

    CaRx is the only way to go with big tanks. Ask anybody who has used anything else and you might get 98 out of 100 people say that they will never not use CaRx again and maybe 2 that dose or use kalk.

    Check out an air exchanger (sorry if I missed it on your list). In the winter, exchange air during the day when it is warm (on warm days - there are plenty)... early evening is good in the summer... try and match the temp as much as possible.

    Oh, 3 30 amp circuits. 1 for lights and in-tank flow pumps. 1 for return pump and misc equipment. 1 for sump heaters and more misc equipment. ...or whatever, but you want 2 circuits to have to go off to ruin your tank, so make sure that you have a few heaters in the tank and the return and flow pumps on different circuits.
     
  15. zombie

    zombie Barracuda M.A.S.C Club Member

    That is not true. An single EB8 can handle up to 1500 W of heaters and control them with much more precision and features than a rancor. If he needs more wattage than that (I doubt since only 900 watts is needed to maintain temp at 78 with ambient temp of 65), then the apex can trigger relays or contactors to turn on heaters with an EB8 outlet. A realistic option is to run an apex with 3 or 4 EB8s and split 6-8 300 W heaters with internal thermostats between them. This allows redundancy in case a circuit trips and the large number of heaters allows proportional control, of the temperatue that can be seasonally adjusted to minimize electricity costs.
     
  16. Balz3352

    Balz3352 Marlin M.A.S.C Club Member

    Wow... This is going to be one hell of a system
     
  17. static reef

    static reef SCMAS Board Members S.C.M.A.S BOD

    I have 6x300 watt heaters split into 2 outlets (3 in each via an extension) of an eb8 with 0 issues. My apex controls each outlet independtly on 1100 gallons and my temp fluctuates between .4 degrees.

    Normally one outlet turns on with the other in a backup mode based on my temp settings.


    Just chiming in. Following this thread for sure. Love how much time your putting into the planning process
     
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  18. SynDen

    SynDen Shark Staff Member M.A.S.C. B.O.D. M.A.S.C Club Member

    Thanks for all the comments everyone, keep them coming :)

    Ya was certainly considering different heating options, especially since the basement isnt heated and remains pretty cool year round, although I am going for deeper water so likely will try and keep the tank fairly cool. Will have to see how it does in the summer though.

    That's a good point on the tangs. Have been debating on including the bigger ones or focus more on the other community fish.

    Ya pretty sure I am going to go with a CaRx, just really exploring options and considering doing a DIY reactor

    Ya been considering adding some ducts that go outside and cycles the interior air with the outside air.

    Thats a good point on circuits. I need to finish the last part of the electrical for the room so I will be putting this into the plan.
     
  19. SynDen

    SynDen Shark Staff Member M.A.S.C. B.O.D. M.A.S.C Club Member

    One thing I still need to figure is where to put all the electrical. I could hide it all under the tank, but honestly would prefer it away from the tank to prevent any long term issues with salt creep, corrosion or leaks getting on it. The one thought I had for it was to put all the electrical in the rafters of the ceiling along the back wall. This would be a good spot to avoid some of those other issues but I will need to devise some way to hide all the cords that would then be hanging down the back wall, and also it may not be the most accessible spot to put it. Any thoughts on where or how I should set up the electrical for this?
     
  20. static reef

    static reef SCMAS Board Members S.C.M.A.S BOD

    I used peg board as a wall on the top of my fragging station. All the chords are hidden behind the board and all the eb8's and apex modules are displayed on the front. Then I hung reefing tools and cups etc on the front as well. This allowed me to access the entire apex and make some organization room for myself at the same time.
     

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