Asternia starfish pest?

#1
Here is a post from r2r. I wanted to get some local opinions in this. Mine is that they are harmless.

As most of us know we have seen a lot of these little, cute starfish in our tanks. We wonder if they are a good thing or bad thing in our self contained aquatic biospheres. Some say they are good, some say they are a nuisance and try to eradicate them using Harlequin Shrimp, tweezers, or any other way they can get them out of the tank.

"They feed on microscopically small invertebrates, carrion, detritus, microalgae and possibly bacterial films. Their enormous advantage lies in their small size - they only need small amounts of food to survive." 1

The school is out on whether or not Asterinids are good or bad. What is known is that they do eat algae. Hobbyists have found them, doing what they believe is eating corals, but are they? When I had my 125 set up, I did see one leaving a white trail as he moved across one of my monti caps. I immediately went out and got a Harley to take care of them.

" This starfish is capable of destroying large colonies of Acropora. If you notice that your Acropora colonies start to turn bright white at the base in a sharp edged pattern you may have an infestation of the starfish. It is important that you remove the coral and search under the base for these starfish. This damage looks different from bleaching because the damage is very localized and it increases each day. This damage can cause bacteria to infect the damaged areas and this can cause the lose of the entire head. Many of the starfish varieties prefer Stylophora and Pocillopora. It is important to watch for white patches at the base of these corals."[2]

What is believed is that if Asterinids go after corals it is because the amount of algae in the tank is not enough to sustain them so they move on to the corals as a food source. Those that see them on zoas “eating them” it is usually a zoa that is unhealthy and the Asterinea is “culling” the colony. I, myself have seen Asterinids in the middle of a Zoa colony with no ill effects to the colony, or that particular Zoa.

"One, or perhaps more, species of small sea stars in the family Asterinidae is the only sea star that can be said to thrive in some reef aquaria at the present time. The species is indeterminate; its geographical origin is uncertain, and there are numerous similar described species. These are small brown, tan or grey animals, generally not more than about half an inch (13 mm) in diameter. Flattened from top to bottom, their three to seven rays and central disk merge into one another. They reproduce asexually by fission and if there is sufficient food almost all the stars in a population will be regenerating rays or other body parts. They are substrate feeders and move around with their stomachs extruded over the substrate digesting who knows what. It is a pity that these animals are so drab. In some systems, they are quite prolific and even if they don't thrive, they appear to be able to survive in most others. Occasionally, some populations of these asterinids have been reported by aquarists to eat either soft corals or stony corals. These coral-eating forms, perhaps different species, seem to be quite uncommon, constituting less than five percent of the various populations."[3

With this being presented, my suggestion is to remove any of the starfish IF you see them presenting as a problem to your corals. Should populations get out of control, Harlequin Shrimp will cut down on the populations, however, the shrimp will only eat the feed of starfish and thus run out of food, unless fed or removed to another source of its food supply

"With progress in natural marine aquarium keeping, increasing numbers of so-called "starfish" successfully reproduce. Applications like deep sand beds and refugium habitats seem to support such success. Some species may become a nuisance by their sheer numbers and prolific nature like Asterina, while others are clearly harmless or helpful by stirring detritus or consuming algae, for example."[4]

[1] Daniel Knop , Steinkorralen im Aquarium, Band 2. (Stony Corals in the Aquarium, Volume 2) Natur und Tierverlag, Munster, Germany. 2002
[2] Garf, GARF predatory starfish 11/25/01 2001
[3] Dr Ron Schmek, reefkeeping.com, Echinoderms in Aquaria... by Ronald L. Shimek, Ph.D. - Reefkeeping.com 2004
[4] Anthony Calfo, reefkeeping.com, http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2004-0...ture/index.php 2004[/QUOTE]
 

KhensuRa

Dolphin
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#2
I have only been keeping saltwater for about 5 years now, the whole time with the same tank. And in those years from good times and bad, I have never had an issues with these little guys. When my tank first cycled I had hundreds of them and over the years they have dwindled to the point they have almost disappeared. So to me they seem harmless.
 

dv3

Beluga
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#3
IMO ...they are harmless untill they get to be too many and they have never got that that point in my tank but have in others ...they dont eat corals
 

Mini T

Sting ray
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#6
I've lost perfectly healthy zoas to them and amphipods who's population got out of control.
 

dv3

Beluga
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#7
brent ward;123101 said:
I've lost perfectly healthy zoas to them and amphipods who's population got out of control.
do you think the stars were eating your zoas?
 

Walter White

Reef Shark
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#8
I have seen them appear to be sucking on zoa polyp that was all closed up but no idea if it was eating it or just eating something on or near or on the polyp. I have read that the grey ones are bad and thats what mine were. I just spent a day picking out every one I could find then the next month picking out any remaining that came out of hiding. I know much easier said than done especially if you have a large tank. It was a pain but i have not seen once since and always qt new corals with interceptor an coralrx then pick off any I may see coming from the seller.

Which by the way the sellers i have bought from have amazing systems and they didnt seem to be hurting anything in their tanks.
 

dv3

Beluga
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#9
kalgra;123122 said:
qt new corals with interceptor an coralrx
do you dip or qt corals? ....seems like interceptor would be a qt type thing and coral rx as a dip ...i dunno i never personally used either but i do have some interceptor but it is in tablets and its seems like it would be a waste to use it as a dip ...so im curious how you do it
 

Walter White

Reef Shark
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#11
I use the interceptor first mostly to kill the things that regular dipping does not e.g. eggs parasites etc. I use a 10 gallon tank with a mini-jet 404 and a small 25w heater. I crush up one tablet as fine as possible with a herb grinder and use a salifert test kit spoon to mix with about 12 gallons of freshly mixed water. I fill up the ten gallon tank and discard the rest. I make sure the temp and salinity is good then drop the corals in and leave them over night 8-12 hours. I then move them to a solution of coralRX and use the same power head to blow off the corals for about 5 minutes then move to a clean salt mix to rinse and put them in.

I started doing this after getting a multitude of varies pests. I dont use the the coralRX on sps as I was told its not meant for for SPS. The sps I just use the interceptor. So far no more pests. Its a pain for sure but I feel better knowing I did everything possible.
 

Walter White

Reef Shark
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#12
Oh and also I don't know if the interceptor or the coralRX does anything to the Asternia stars. But since they are easy to see I just pick em off anyway. i have seen them fall off in the interceptor though. This could be coincidence i don't know.
 

dv3

Beluga
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#13
that is thorough ..im not that dedicated ..i just dip in flat worm exit and iodine (which is more than i used to do) ...i was hoping you had something easy for me ..lol
 

hurrafreak

Orca
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#15
I've seen asterinas in my own tanks directly on the polyps of some of my zoas. Wether they were eating the zoa or just bothering the hell out of it I don't know, but I removed them either way.
 

Mckibbonator

Bat Fish
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#16
Going off of THATONEGUY, are we sure that it's one species of star fish you are all reporting? It seems that there are people reporting that they are harmless, and others that they are coral eating monsters from hell! No one has done DNA, or other types of test to see if it's one species. Just because they look the same doesn't mean they are the same. Look a zooxanthellae for instance, the only way you can tell some of them apart is through DNA tests.
 
#17
That is a great point! These stars are somewhat undocumented. There could be several very different species ( diet wise) that we all refer to as asternia.
 

SteveT

Butterfly Fish
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#18
I remember reading an article somewhere that said there are 100's of different Asterina starfish species and only a few of them were coral predators. I have tons of them in my 40G and even though I occasionally see them on corals I have never seen any damage related to it. Just like everyone has said, and with almost everything in your tank, you just have to observe them closely. If you catch them in the act, get em out of there.
 
#19
I too, was under the impression that there are many different species of asterinas. I have only had a few that ever ate corals but I do watch mine very closely now. If someone has a tank with confirmed coral eaters I'd love to see a macro photo. I'm curious if there's a way to tell them apart.
 

djkms

Reef Shark
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#20
I have a ton of these guys in my system (grey variety) and have never seen them damaging any coral. Just scrape them off and feed them to your LPS :)
 
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